376 - Hard to Describe

 Kate gets backwards offended this episode. Maysoun draws things from verbal descriptions. We discuss the shows at the Richmond Art Center. Folks, Kate was tired editing this one. Good luck.

The music in this episode is by Beyond The Struttosphere

      

375 - All's Fair

 Atrium! Fog! Other stuff! Kate finds a way to work Stephen Sondheim into every conversation. Maysoun wants to make certificates.

the music in this episode is by aivi & surasshu

Fog.

374 - Friendless in Frisco

 Kate announces a new weekly mixer! Fridays 5pm - 6pm at Et al. Make new friends and keep the old! We address a listener's question about making friends in the art world.

Music in this episode is by The Good Life

Ring the bell of friendship!

Why It’s So Hard to Make New Friends as an Adult - Psychology Today

373 - January Fools

 We are fools this episode. Happy New Year! Maysoun went to Chicago! Kate went to Berkeley! We plan out our beginning-of-the-year expeditions.

The music in this episode is by SAMMI

Starting strong!

Remembering Yoko Ono's "Cut Piece" by Julia Bryan-Wilson

Your Guide to the Bay Area’s Biggest Art Month by Sarah Hotchkiss

372 - Disorient (with Helia Pouyanfar)

 This week we talk to artist, Helia Pouyanfar. We go off about rice, the refugee body, fog descending upon the earth, and of course, cats. 

The music in this episode is by The Good Life

Rice is from everywhere!

Helia Pouyanfar

History of Persian Cats

371 - ATA! (with Tessa Siddle and Ariel Zaccheo)

 This week we talk with Tessa Siddle and Ariel Zaccheo about beloved San Francisco gallery and micro-cinema, Artist Television Access. Donate to them! We love ATA!!!

The music in this episode is by Tommy Guerrero

Donate to ATA! 

370 - Bemis Tech Breath

 This week we have listener feedback from an artist who works in tech. We also hear from a listener who applied to Bemis, the residency in Omaha. Plus Kate went to a breathwork session and is flummoxed by it.

The music in this episode is by Tommy Guerrero

Don't forget to breathe!

369 - Labor at the Wattis

 This week we went to see 8 Hours of Work at the Wattis. We had to infiltrate, take an elevator, and take in about 900 hours of video. We both get emotional in different ways. We also appreciate Julia Bryan-Wilson and Italo Calvino.

The music in this episode is by Tommy Guerrero

SOLIDARITY FOREVER!

CCA Wattis Institute

368 - Free School

 This week we talk about several alternatives to traditional (expensive) art schools. We ask the big questions and speculate about the big answers. Maysoun has a cold but she is going to be ok. Thank you to the listener who wrote in about the co-op!

The music in this episode is by AL GHARIB

A pleasure to have in class.

367 - Morning Pages

 This week we talk about ICE (oink, oink, PIGS!) We also hear back from the listener with the upside-down painting. We premiere a new email address! 

The music in this episode is by aivi & surasshu

The Arab Film Festival

Freewrite

KAWS: FAMILY

Altman Siegel

366 - Margaret Tedesco

 We love you and miss you so much, Margaret Tedesco. This episode was originally posted February 10th, 2016.

The music in this episode is by XUXA SANTAMARIA

dance, dance, dance

[2nd floor projects]
(the Glen that Margaret talks about is Glen Helfand)
Kevin Killian
Eileen Myles
Dennis Cooper
Gina Lollobrigida
Gregory's Girl - Dancing Scene

365 - Inverted Integrity

 This week Maysoun and Kate take on the big questions! When should artists compromise their integrity? How can we communicate well in difficult situations? What the hell is going on? All this and more on Congratulations Pine Tree.

The music in this episode is by Tommy Guerrero

Inversion!

 

Who Has a Say in the Flood of Public Art Coming to San Francisco?

364 - Glitched Plants (with Kija Lucas)

 This week we have a glorious conversation with artist and educator, Kija Lucas. We talk about misplaced plant species, photo glitches, getting down to business, mental health, and the dramas of installing wallpaper. 

The music in this episode is by Tommy Guerrero

Take care of your brain!

Kija Lucas

To Bright Disturbances

Black Cube Gallery

363 - Stepped Fret (with Isaac Vazquez Avila)

This week Kate has a rolicking conversation with artist, Isaac Vazquez Avila. We talk about not-roosters, pyramids, Salt Lake City, painting, and eating digital spiders. It's a hell of a chat!

The music in this episode is by Tommy Guerrero

Watch out!

Isaac Vazquez Avila

Part 2 Gallery

362 - Top 10 Bay Area Arts and Culture

 This week we finally put it all out there. 

The intro and outro music for this episode is from Musicians for a Free Palestine Mix Tape

Wings! Stripes!

2nd floor projects

Paramount Theatre

361 - Friendly Radio (with Amanda Guest)

 This week we talk to Amanda Guest, founder of BFF.fm. We learn about all kinds of radios stuff. Other topics covered include toxic sound tech guys, witch hysteria, women in STEM, and so much! We get the best from Guest. 

The music in this episode is by AL GHARIB

Watch out for Captain Onishima!

BFF.fm

SF Community Music Center

360 - Sacks (with Katherine Ross Ward)

 This week Katherine Ross Ward joins Kate since Maysoun is on shore leave. Topics covered include babies, the DMV, quilts, gallery food, and censorship! Come take a ride with two Katherines. Plus a baby!

The music in this episode is by ConsciousMind

Katherines.

Routed West at BAMPFA

359 - No World but Brunch (with Kelly Pendergrast)

This week we talk to writer and arts-related-person, Kelly Pendergrast! We talk about breakfast, disasters, and the heart of the United States. We still have a fucked up mic but Kate makes the best of it. 

The music in this episode is by DJ FLEXAHOLIC

TUATARA!

Kelly Pendergrast

Tornado Safety

Lost Tape: Underwater Olympics

 Carrie Hott and Kate found another tape if you can believe that! What secrets does it hold?!

Good luck to Carrie on her voyage to Indiana! We love you!!!

What can't they do?

357 - Underdark

 This week Kate went to a show at Slash. We try to figure out what to make when you don't want to make anything. We talk about aliens, but are not impressed by them. We figure out France. Maysoun talks about the bike ride for MECA (the Middle East Children’s Alliance) and you should join in on 

The music in this episode is by DJ Daria

When you're ready- go!

Slash

Middle East Children’s Alliance

https://www.naughtygirlfitness.com/

https://www.daynamacy.com/

https://handsomepod.com/

https://howtoadhd.com/

356 - Coffee Time

This week Kate has gone to an immersive theater experience in the Tenderloin. Maysoun goes to see art in the Tenderloin. Everyone goes to the Tenderloin. Plus coffee.

The music in this episode is by Deerhoof

Hot cup o' joe!

Compton’s Cafeteria Riot (the play)

Tenderloin Museum

Screaming Queens

'It's erasure': One of San Francisco's most celebrated sites is at a crossroads

Oakland Liberation Center

355 - Corporate Partnership

 This week we talk about corporate partnerships, peep shows, and brain fog. Maysoun refuses to accept Kate's mnemonic devices. Maysoun also demands a clap track.

The music in this episode is from Musicians for a Free Palestine Mix Tape

PRAISE THE CORPORATE OVERLORDS!

Creativity Explored x Pottery Barn

354 - Besties vs. Besties (with Leila Weefur and Elena Gross)

 This week we face off with Leila Weefur and Elena Gross. We play the newlyweds game, talk about what we're reading, and relitigate the dramas of the L-word. Also hotdog costumes.

The music in this episode is by AL GHARIB

It was the battle of the century!

353 - Longest Running

 This week we talk about our new nemesis. We also talk about handwriting analysis,  whether Kate is a bitch, and how old Maysoun's cats are. We also try our best to talk about fucking Bay Area arts and culture. 

The music in this episode is by RITCHRD

Keep it going!

Art Yap podcast

Big Five personality test - shoutout to BaubleRob

352 - Cutting String

Maysoun finally takes a stand. She also went to a gallery called TNT. We talk about all kinds of strings and webs. Kate wrote a poem but does not read it. 

The intro and outro music for this episode is from Musicians for a Free Palestine Mix Tape

 

Relinquish control!

TNT Art Lab

Bathers Library

351 - Normal Sunday

This week we talk about difficult holidays, some shows that are coming up, and why Maysoun is mad at Kate. Of course the age-old debate about whether cats are Palestinian comes up again. Of course they are Palestinian, but the detractors still can't get onboard.

The music in this episode is by aivi & surasshu

Palestinian cat

Bass and Reiner

Adobe Books

Chris Grunder

The Good Ship Dodo

The Origin of Cats

Genetics of randomly bred cats support the cradle of cat domestication being in the Near East

350 - Ups and Downs (with Héctor Muñoz-Guzmán)

 This week Héctor Muñoz-Guzmán blesses the podcast with his experience and wisdom! We obviously talk about cats. We also explore bipolar disorder, Watts Towers, grad school, PAINTING, agave in Tepatitlán (which Kate struggles to pronounce), regrets, perseverance, and so much more.

The music in this episode is by aivi & surasshu

Héctor Muñoz-Guzmán, "2019 RISD Bipolar Episode", 2022
Collage, graphite and colored pencil on Walmart paper

Héctor Muñoz-Guzmán: Brown Eyes from Russell Street

Creative Growth

Watts Towers

349 - Application Time

 People are making and evaluating various applications this week! Juries are out! Applications are in! How can we begin to make sense of it?!

The music in this episode is by DJ Daria

Get those apps into the woodchipper!

Fleishhacker Foundation

Real Time and Space

Bemis

348 - Naked Women

 This week we come to terms with the giant naked woman sculpture that has been forced onto us by some kind of techno-libertarian burner foundation. We also talk about starting projects with Joan. Kate FINALLY discusses her favorite art experience of the year so far, a performance at the Lab by Alex Tatarsky. 

The music in this episode is by SPELLING

When will it end?

Nobody Asked for This by Sarah Hotchkiss

Inside the Indoor Beach Opera That’s the Talk of the Venice Biennale by Casey Lesser

You Might Call Alex Tatarsky a Playwright. But They Identify as ‘An Experimental Clown Artist’ by Hiji Nam

JL Murdaugh and Syndicate

347 - Bow and Salute

 This week we're talking about a bunch of shit going on. We get confused about a game night. Maysoun refuses to enter legal agreements. We decide who is on the cutting edge.

The music in this episode is from the BDS Mixtape

We salute you!

Theresa Hak Kyung Cha: Multiple Offerings at BAMPFA

If you see an artist...

346 - Maysoun in Japan

 This week Maysoun is back from Japan. We hear all her stories from the seat of the seat of empire. Snow monkeys! Stationary stores! We also discuss people we're mad at, 12 step programs, and art show things.

The intro and outro music for this episode is from Musicians for a Free Palestine Mix Tape

Surf's up!

The SF public library is accepting submissions for review for Bay Beats local music platform.

Japanese Jazz Albums 

Jazz Harmonica by Cy Leo

Traywick Contemporary

FREE Workshops at RTS!

April 5th - Hands Off! San Francisco Fights Back (Civic Center)

16th St. Alliance  (we're not fans)

BOYCOTT MANNY'S

Effective Canadian policy to reduce harms from prescription opioids: learning from past failures

Study of one Safe Injection Facility in Canada

345 - Nethers (with Mitsu Okubo)

This week artist and gourmand, Mistu Okubo joins Kate for a rousing talk about overdoing it with THC lemonade, friendship among men, and graduate school regrets. Have fun trying to figure out what's behind the bleeps.


The music in this episode is from the BDS Mixtape

Don't do it, folks!

Mitsu Okubo on IG

Mitsu Okubo MERCH

The Basement

Hoarding Disorder: What It Is, Causes, Symptoms & Treatment

SF Art Book Fair

344 - Sincerity (with Aaron Harbour)

This week gallerist, Aaron Harbour, guest hosts while Maysoun is on her journey. What's discussed? The Alamo, shapes, going outside, what makes good art, dealing with artists who are mad about you dissing their work, and job interviews. Help lil' baby Et al. by supporting their donation drive here.

The music in this episode is from the Musicians for a Free Palestine Mix Tape

Don't forget.

Et al. gallery and bookshop

SFAI archive

Exhibition reviews by Sarah Eunmi Choe

343 - Ferdydurke

 This week we lost it. I can't say more than that.

The music in this episode is from the Musicians for a Free Palestine Mix Tape

WELCOME THE DAWN OF A NEW ERA

SF Review of Whatever

MUZ Collective

Alternative Exposure

342 - Kissin' Coyotes

 This is the longest it has taken me to edit a podcast in a long time. I think it is mainly due to the fact that I got sidetracked reading about Donald Judd in preparation for the release of the SF Review of Whatever! This friday at Et al. Come on by. This week we talk about coyotes, gripes, Irish dancing, BDS, and of course cats.

The music in this episode is from the Musicians for a Free Palestine Mix Tape

Stay away from coyotes!

What is BDS?

San Francisco Review of Whatever

341 - Uncrossing Pianists

 This week we go to Ancient Ways in Oakland. Maysoun sees a life-changing piano concert. We do some role play. Unbelievably we do not mention cats.

The music in this episode is by Jason Moran

We go full witchcraft this week.

Ceremonies: Rituals to Self

Center for New Music (place Kate couldn't remember)

Ancient Ways

340 - Ancient History (with Kathy Zarur)

 This week we had the pleasure of talking to curator, educator, and art historian, Kathy Zarur. We talk about human sacrifice, how to teach, cats, and much more. Maysoun also tells a harrowing wildlife encounter story.

The music in this episode is from Musicians for a Free Palestine Mix Tape

Possible origin points for domesticated cats.

Skyline College Art Gallery

How did cats become domesticated?

Paracas Mummy Bundles

339 - Gold in Peace, Iron in War

This week Maysoun saw the launch of the new video wall on VanNess in San Francisco. She also went to Root Division. Kate has swollen glands and is open to feedback about it.

The music in this episode is from Musicians for a Free Palestine Mix Tape

The SF city seal!

The Ohio-Michigan War

Cian Dayrit: Liberties Were Taken at Root Division

Van Ness Video Wall

338 - On the Road Again

 This week we had a car! We head to the Legion of Honor, Fort Mason, and an unnamed gallery. Kate felt too bad about what a scathing review she gave, so she redacted the name of the last place. We also saw frolicing dogs and beautiful vistas.

The music in this episode is from Mixtape for Palestine

What's up with that little pyramid?

337 - Describing a Mug

Could we be jumping the shark again? We take a really long time to describe a Jeremiah Barber mug. It's amazing audio. We also talk about the reemergence of Cloaca Projects at the Lab! Other topics covered: visiting the West Bank in Palestine, when to visit Kate at the bookstore, weird artist residencies.

The music in this episode is from the BDS Mixtape

Mugs: what are they?

988 Lifeline - the national suicide hotline

Learn about PACBI - Or email us to talk about it! Congratulations PineTree@gmail.com

Weird residency (scam?) - summer-residency.co

336 - Our Bread and Butter

This week we talk about a big staff shake-up at SFMOMA.  We also talk about gallery work annoyances, break-ins, and a couple thoughts for the new year.

The music in this episode is from Mixtape for Palestine

Firings and closings!

335 - Demand Era Begins

 This week we navigate broken doors and securitized entry ways! Kate went to a chocolate factory tour. We also discuss radioactive sculpture gardens.

The music in this episode is from the album Palestine by AL GHARIB

Excessive levels of harmful radiation found at Albany Bulb in Bay Area

What is PACBI?

Where to go in the case of a tornado

334 - Results

 This week we review the election results. Maysoun goes to the preparation zone. Kate admits she has penguin dislocation.

The music in this episode is from the album Palestine by AL GHARIB

Pesto.