Thursday, August 20, 2026

399 - Ice Cream (with Mansur Nurullah)

This week we have the pleasure of chatting with artist, Mansur Nurullah! We discuss abstraction, books, scraps, the technological sublime, bullying, and counseling. We make a lot of deviations and tangents and detours. Plus giggle fits!

The music in this episode is by Hannah Lew 

BASEBALL NUT


High res image here!


Mansur Nurullah

Quilts of Gee's Bend

El Anatsui

The Sympathizer by Viet Thanh Nguyen

Invisible Man By Ralph Ellison

Wednesday, August 5, 2026

398 - Agnes Sharkin'

 This week we jump the shark for the second time. First off, this episode is part four of our ten part series on abstraction. We talk about motherfuckin Agnes Martin, whether sharks are older than Satan, and Craig Calderwood's amazing new mural at SFMoMA. Maysoun speaks of drones. We apologize to the listeners.

The music in this episode is by La Luz (they are on tour! See them!)


Say hello!

Craig Calderwood

Sad Francisco


Thursday, July 23, 2026

396 - Crusty Peaks

 This week Kate and Maysoun saw all the shows at Minnesota Street Project. We also talk about Marlow Moss and more abstraction! Plus we decide what shapes we are.

The music in this episode is by spacemoth


Howardena Pindell, Night Flight, 2015–16. Mixed media on canvas; 75 x 63 in.
See a high res image here.




Mark Perlman, Overview, 2025,
oil and wax on panel, 60 x 48 inches
at Nancy Toomey Fine Art



Marlow Moss, White and Yellow, 1935, 
Oil paint, string and canvas on canvas


Marlow Moss, Untitled (Free forms), 1950
Gouache on paper


Julian Schnabel, Divan 1978
oil, plates, and bondo on wood, 90 x 120 x 13 inches



Howardina Pindell at the MCA Chicago

Virtual Crush at /



Thursday, July 16, 2026

395 - Hard Line

 This is week two of our deep into abstraction! Be sure to share your abstract experiences with us! 

419 351 6606 or email us: congratulationspinetree@proton.me

Also, Kate went and saw some shows! 

The music in this episode is by spacemoth


Marlow Moss, Composition in Red, Black and White, 1953, oil on canvas, 76 x 51 cm.



Marlow Moss!



Nice, neat lawn by Abi Tucker and Stanley Millerby Abi Tucker and Stanley Miller

Space, Movement, and Body: Marlow Moss

Talking Painting: Dialogues with Twelve Contemporary Abstract Painters by David Ryan

How to look at an abstract painting

Sculpture in the Expanded Field

Mondrian His Life, His Art, and the Quest of the Absolute Nicholas Fox Weber


Thursday, July 9, 2026

394 - Understanding Abstraction in Ten Weeks

This week we begin a ten week course on abstraction. Please follow along, there will be prizes at the end. We also talk about the International Art Museum of America getting voted best museum in SF. Shocking.

The music in this episode is by spacemoth

Helen Frankenthaler, Mountains and Sea 1952
Oil and charcoal on unsized, unprimed canvas, 86 ⅜ × 117 ¼ inches




Helen Frankenthaler, Mountains and Sea (large image)

Best of the Bay Area

Sad Francisco

Episode 18 - The Treasure Room (about the IAMA)

Helen Frankenthaler, A Brief Biography

Thursday, July 2, 2026

393 - Get Madder

 This week we have an emotional conversation about the SFAC funding saga. We also talk about the Queers Against Zionism event at the Lab. We also talk about poetry and why people hate it.

The music in this episode is by spacemoth

MAD!

You're invited to the 1st Annual:
Bay Area Arts Picnic on Sat. July 11th 1-4pm!!
Elk Glen Picnic Area at Golden Gate Park
1017 MLK Drive at 27th Street

San Francisco Finalizes $17 Billion Budget, Restores Millions in Proposed Cuts

Sad Francisco

Bay to Gaza Mutual Aid Collective


Thursday, June 18, 2026

392 - Solidarity Forever! (with Leo Dugan)

 This week Kate has a conversation with Leo Dugan from the Creativity Explored United bargaining team!

the music in this episode is by Deseos Primitivos

Union Strong!


Creativity Explored United instagram

creativityexploredunited@gmail.com - if you want to get in touch!



Thursday, June 4, 2026

390 - What's Up With the Sun? (with Ebti)

 This week we have the great honor of talking to artist, Ebti! We talk about translation, theater, death, cats, light bulbs, and whether or not the sun is gay! 

Sign this open letter to support the workers at the SFAC!

Music in this episode is by Meshell Ndegeocello


Languages!

Ebti!!!


Thursday, May 21, 2026

389 - June 2026 Voter Guide

 This week we finally made our voter guide! YES ON D, SAN FRANCISCO!

The music in this episode is by SPELLLING

do it!


Thursday, May 14, 2026

388 - Not the Voter Guide

 This week we start on the voter guide but then we delay it because Maysoun needs to do more research. So we talk about some shows and some emails and some voicemails. Plus we're back on Horse Muffin Bird again, because Maysoun accuses Kate of being a sniveling worm. It's a weird episode.

The music in this episode is by Australian lesbian, Courtney Barnett



The Hundred Years' War on Palestine
A Flag With Teeth — Participant Form

Friday, May 8, 2026

387 - Pigeon Army

This week Kate and Maysoun went to a rally at city hall! We petition the birds to stop the surveillance state. Maysoun went to a show! We did it all!

 The song in this episode is by Cain Culto, Xiuhtezcatl & Snow Tha Product

take to the skies!


Monday, April 27, 2026

386 - VIP Preview

This week Kate and Maysoun hang out with billionaires. Kate makes a public apology. Maysoun tries to explain the SF charter, whatever the hell that is. Plus we tell you to go to a clown show.

The music in this episode is by spacemoth


Loss of dignity!




 Sugar Mud - A Surreal Comedy - BUY TICKETS

Arts for a Better Bay Area (ABBA)

Urbanist think tank SPUR unveils plans to revamp S.F. charter

SPUR recommendations


Monday, April 20, 2026

385 - Yes on Prop D

 This week Maysoun is back! Kate talks shit about SFMOMA again. We also discuss a pair of shows by Trina Michelle Robinson. Plus Maysoun settles several controversies.

The music in this episode is by spacemoth

Cats and dogs living together!


Yes on Prop D!

Sunday, April 5, 2026

384 - Finishing the Hat

  This week artist Sarah Heinemann guest hosts while Maysoun is abroad! We discuss therapy, the SF art scene, group chats, Maysoun's secrets, and so much more.

The music in this episode is by spacemoth

Look! I made a hat!


Saturday, March 28, 2026

383 - Horse, Muffin, Bird

This week we take some listener feedback! Max Blue wrote in! We talk about community organizing. We also talk about a hurtful game called Horse-Muffin-Bird. 


Muffin Muffin Muffin


 Witch art at SoEx

Arts for a Better Bay Area

Further Triennial 

Friday, March 20, 2026

382 - Bad Scene, Everyone's Fault (with Sarah Heinemann)

This week we talk to artist and dear friend, Sarah Heinemann. We discuss colors, art ideas, public transit, how much Jerry Saltz sucks, cave paintings, and working with Sol Lewitt.

The music in this episode is by spacemoth

Bad Scene, Everyone's Fault
Acrylic and crayon on canvas 48 x 42 inches


Sarah Heinemann

Sol Lewitt


Friday, March 13, 2026

381 - Wall Drawing

 This week Kate talks about doing a Sol Lewitt wall drawing at SFMOMA. We also give information about a show. Cute.

The music in this episode is by spacemoth

Walls!!!


Friday, March 6, 2026

380 - True Believer

 We answer a listener question about where to get cheap art! We are all over the map because we're freaked out by war.

the music in this episode is by spacemoth

Wall art!

SFAC Meeting Video