Congratulations Pine Tree
The Bay's number one arts and culture podcast
with Kate Rhoades and Maysoun Wazwaz
Wednesday, August 6, 2025
359 - No World but Brunch (with Kelly Pendergrast)
Wednesday, July 23, 2025
Lost Tape: Underwater Olympics
Wednesday, July 16, 2025
357 - Underdark
This week Kate went to a show at Slash. We try to figure out what to make when you don't want to make anything. We talk about aliens, but are not impressed by them. We figure out France. Maysoun talks about the bike ride for MECA (the Middle East Children’s Alliance) and you should join in on
The music in this episode is by DJ Daria
When you're ready- go! |
Middle East Children’s Alliance
https://www.naughtygirlfitness.com/
Wednesday, July 2, 2025
356 - Coffee Time
This week Kate has gone to an immersive theater experience in the Tenderloin. Maysoun goes to see art in the Tenderloin. Everyone goes to the Tenderloin. Plus coffee.
The music in this episode is by Deerhoof
Compton’s Cafeteria Riot (the play)
'It's erasure': One of San Francisco's most celebrated sites is at a crossroads
Wednesday, June 25, 2025
355 - Corporate Partnership
This week we talk about corporate partnerships, peep shows, and brain fog. Maysoun refuses to accept Kate's mnemonic devices. Maysoun also demands a clap track.
The music in this episode is from Musicians for a Free Palestine Mix Tape
PRAISE THE CORPORATE OVERLORDS! |
Creativity Explored x Pottery Barn
Wednesday, June 18, 2025
354 - Besties vs. Besties (with Leila Weefur and Elena Gross)
This week we face off with Leila Weefur and Elena Gross. We play the newlyweds game, talk about what we're reading, and relitigate the dramas of the L-word. Also hotdog costumes.
The music in this episode is by AL GHARIB
It was the battle of the century! |
Wednesday, June 4, 2025
353 - Longest Running
This week we talk about our new nemesis. We also talk about handwriting analysis, whether Kate is a bitch, and how old Maysoun's cats are. We also try our best to talk about fucking Bay Area arts and culture.
The music in this episode is by RITCHRD
Art Yap podcast
Saturday, May 24, 2025
352 - Cutting String
Thursday, May 15, 2025
351 - Normal Sunday
This week we talk about difficult holidays, some shows that are coming up, and why Maysoun is mad at Kate. Of course the age-old debate about whether cats are Palestinian comes up again. Of course they are Palestinian, but the detractors still can't get onboard.
The music in this episode is by aivi & surasshu
Palestinian cat |
Genetics of randomly bred cats support the cradle of cat domestication being in the Near East
Wednesday, May 7, 2025
350 - Ups and Downs (with Héctor Muñoz-Guzmán)
This week Héctor Muñoz-Guzmán blesses the podcast with his experience and wisdom! We obviously talk about cats. We also explore bipolar disorder, Watts Towers, grad school, PAINTING, agave in Tepatitlán (which Kate struggles to pronounce), regrets, perseverance, and so much more.
The music in this episode is by aivi & surasshu
Héctor Muñoz-Guzmán, "2019 RISD Bipolar Episode", 2022 Collage, graphite and colored pencil on Walmart paper |
Héctor Muñoz-Guzmán: Brown Eyes from Russell Street
Creative Growth
Thursday, May 1, 2025
349 - Application Time
People are making and evaluating various applications this week! Juries are out! Applications are in! How can we begin to make sense of it?!
The music in this episode is by DJ Daria
Get those apps into the woodchipper! |
Wednesday, April 23, 2025
348 - Naked Women
This week we come to terms with the giant naked woman sculpture that has been forced onto us by some kind of techno-libertarian burner foundation. We also talk about starting projects with Joan. Kate FINALLY discusses her favorite art experience of the year so far, a performance at the Lab by Alex Tatarsky.
The music in this episode is by SPELLING
Nobody Asked for This by Sarah Hotchkiss
Inside the Indoor Beach Opera That’s the Talk of the Venice Biennale by Casey Lesser
You Might Call Alex Tatarsky a Playwright. But They Identify as ‘An Experimental Clown Artist’ by Hiji Nam
Wednesday, April 9, 2025
347 - Bow and Salute
This week we're talking about a bunch of shit going on. We get confused about a game night. Maysoun refuses to enter legal agreements. We decide who is on the cutting edge.
The music in this episode is from the BDS Mixtape
We salute you! |
Wednesday, April 2, 2025
346 - Maysoun in Japan
This week Maysoun is back from Japan. We hear all her stories from the seat of the seat of empire. Snow monkeys! Stationary stores! We also discuss people we're mad at, 12 step programs, and art show things.
The intro and outro music for this episode is from Musicians for a Free Palestine Mix Tape
Surf's up! |
The SF public library is accepting submissions for review for Bay Beats local music platform.
FREE Workshops at RTS!
April 5th - Hands Off! San Francisco Fights Back (Civic Center)
16th St. Alliance (we're not fans)
Effective Canadian policy to reduce harms from prescription opioids: learning from past failures
Study of one Safe Injection Facility in Canada
Thursday, March 27, 2025
345 - Nethers (with Mitsu Okubo)
This week artist and gourmand, Mistu Okubo joins Kate for a rousing talk about overdoing it with THC lemonade, friendship among men, and graduate school regrets. Have fun trying to figure out what's behind the bleeps.
The music in this episode is from the BDS Mixtape
Don't do it, folks! |
Mitsu Okubo on IG
Mitsu Okubo MERCH
Hoarding Disorder: What It Is, Causes, Symptoms & Treatment
Wednesday, March 19, 2025
344 - Sincerity (with Aaron Harbour)
This week gallerist, Aaron Harbour, guest hosts while Maysoun is on her journey. What's discussed? The Alamo, shapes, going outside, what makes good art, dealing with artists who are mad about you dissing their work, and job interviews. Help lil' baby Et al. by supporting their donation drive here.
The music in this episode is from the Musicians for a Free Palestine Mix Tape
Don't forget. |
Et al. gallery and bookshop
Wednesday, March 5, 2025
343 - Ferdydurke
This week we lost it. I can't say more than that.
The music in this episode is from the Musicians for a Free Palestine Mix Tape
WELCOME THE DAWN OF A NEW ERA |
SF Review of Whatever
Wednesday, February 26, 2025
342 - Kissin' Coyotes
This is the longest it has taken me to edit a podcast in a long time. I think it is mainly due to the fact that I got sidetracked reading about Donald Judd in preparation for the release of the SF Review of Whatever! This friday at Et al. Come on by. This week we talk about coyotes, gripes, Irish dancing, BDS, and of course cats.
The music in this episode is from the Musicians for a Free Palestine Mix Tape
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Stay away from coyotes! |
What is BDS?
Wednesday, February 12, 2025
341 - Uncrossing Pianists
This week we go to Ancient Ways in Oakland. Maysoun sees a life-changing piano concert. We do some role play. Unbelievably we do not mention cats.
The music in this episode is by Jason Moran
We go full witchcraft this week. |
Ceremonies: Rituals to Self
Center for New Music (place Kate couldn't remember)
Wednesday, February 5, 2025
340 - Ancient History (with Kathy Zarur)
This week we had the pleasure of talking to curator, educator, and art historian, Kathy Zarur. We talk about human sacrifice, how to teach, cats, and much more. Maysoun also tells a harrowing wildlife encounter story.
The music in this episode is from Musicians for a Free Palestine Mix Tape
Possible origin points for domesticated cats. |
Skyline College Art Gallery
Wednesday, January 29, 2025
339 - Gold in Peace, Iron in War
This week Maysoun saw the launch of the new video wall on VanNess in San Francisco. She also went to Root Division. Kate has swollen glands and is open to feedback about it.
The music in this episode is from Musicians for a Free Palestine Mix Tape
The SF city seal! |
Wednesday, January 22, 2025
338 - On the Road Again
This week we had a car! We head to the Legion of Honor, Fort Mason, and an unnamed gallery. Kate felt too bad about what a scathing review she gave, so she redacted the name of the last place. We also saw frolicing dogs and beautiful vistas.
The music in this episode is from Mixtape for Palestine
What's up with that little pyramid? |
Wednesday, January 8, 2025
337 - Describing a Mug
Could we be jumping the shark again? We take a really long time to describe a Jeremiah Barber mug. It's amazing audio. We also talk about the reemergence of Cloaca Projects at the Lab! Other topics covered: visiting the West Bank in Palestine, when to visit Kate at the bookstore, weird artist residencies.
The music in this episode is from the BDS Mixtape
Mugs: what are they? |
988 Lifeline - the national suicide hotline
Learn about PACBI - Or email us to talk about it! Congratulations PineTree@gmail.com
Weird residency (scam?) - summer-residency.co
Thursday, December 26, 2024
336 - Our Bread and Butter
This week we talk about a big staff shake-up at SFMOMA. We also talk about gallery work annoyances, break-ins, and a couple thoughts for the new year.
The music in this episode is from Mixtape for Palestine
Firings and closings! |
Wednesday, December 18, 2024
335 - Demand Era Begins
This week we navigate broken doors and securitized entry ways! Kate went to a chocolate factory tour. We also discuss radioactive sculpture gardens.
The music in this episode is from the album Palestine by AL GHARIB
Excessive levels of harmful radiation found at Albany Bulb in Bay Area
Where to go in the case of a tornado |
Tuesday, November 26, 2024
334 - Results
This week we review the election results. Maysoun goes to the preparation zone. Kate admits she has penguin dislocation.
The music in this episode is from the album Palestine by AL GHARIB
Pesto. |
Monday, October 28, 2024
333 - 2024 Voter Guide!
Monday, September 23, 2024
332 - Back in the Kitchen
Monday, September 16, 2024
331 - Pool Noodle
This week we talk about bad news at CCA, Simone Bailey's show at the Headlands, and Kate gives a correction as always.
The music in this episode is from the BDS Mixtape
Simone Bailey at the Headlands
California College of the Arts contemplates major changes amid $20m deficit
Pool noodles. |
Monday, August 26, 2024
330 - I Wish to Control the Birds
We talk about taking going to a traditional Palestinian embroidery workshop! It was amazing! Kate went to Your Mood Gallery in San Francisco. Kate looks for a part of a book 99 times. Maysoun becomes a modern witch. We talk about the fingers of your feet.
The music in this episode is from the BDS Mixtape
Min Amanne Designs - start embroidering!
San Francisco neighbors say Waymo honking continues, global audience follows along live
Divestment Teach-In RSVP!
Free Palestine! |
Tuesday, August 13, 2024
329 - Ding!
Monday, August 5, 2024
328 - Slippy vs. Grippy
Maysoun is in a pickle again. Can she get out of it?! We also try to find some dang shoes that are not on the BDS list. We also tell you to apply for a lot of money.
The music in this epodes is by Amina Shareef Ali
Footwear is treacherous! |
Monday, July 29, 2024
327 - Ceramic Magic (with Victor Saucedo)
This week we chat with artist, Victor Saucedo. Yes, we talk about cats. Who would we be if we didn't?! We also talk about white supremacy, ghosts, several neighborhoods in SF, televisions, and so much more.
The music in this episode is by GODGIFU and Chris Garneau
Learn about PACBI!
Congratulations Pine Tree is a proud adopter of PACBI, the Palestinian campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel. We invite all organizations regardless of size to adopt this boycott and stop all cultural and academic support for the Israeli occupation of Palestine. End the occupation! Stop the genocide! Free Palestine!
Free Palestine! Keep up the pressure! |
Sunday, June 30, 2024
326 - Insane in the Membrane FOR TEN YEARS!
This week Maysoun and Kate discuss Kate's mental breakdown. We also talk about SF Camerawork, the Audium, and some other art shit. Kate's in a mood! Makes sense, though!
The music in this episode is by FM-84
THERE'S THE PROBLEM! |
Thursday, March 14, 2024
325 - Galaxy Brains
We are finally back even though neither of us want to be! We talk about the Palestinian Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel, cold plunges, excuses, Vallejo, corn nus, and so much more! Welcome back to the MADHOUSE!!!
The music in this episode is by Business Casual
Palestinian Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel
Writers Against the War on Gaza
Personal Space (in beautiful Vallejo)
Koons Ruins by Kathy Aoki!!! Go!!!
ALWAYS BE CLOSING! |
Thursday, December 14, 2023
324 - Free Palestine
This week we are giving you a little morsel before we go on total winter stop down. Then we will rise like a glorious plant of some kind and BLOOM INTO 2024!!! Thank you all for sticking with us through this year. We love you.
The music in this episode is by Excentrik
Arab Resource and Organizing Center
Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel
Over 400 Bay Area Artists Sign Letter Calling for Boycott of Israeli Institutions from KQED
Gaza in ContextDecolonize Palestine
UNRWA
About the BDS (Boycott, Divest, Sanction) Movement:
BDS Movement
US Military Funding to Israel (look up your city):
https://uscpr.org/militaryfunding
Thursday, November 16, 2023
323 - Erotic Poetry with Elisabeth Nicula
Elisabeth Nicula is guest hosting this week while Maysoun is on a mental-wellbeing-break. Elisabeth is a bird enjoyer, an artist, a writer, a critic, and someone who can confidently shit outside. Join us in this shared hallucination.
All the music in this episode is from the album PAZ Y LIBERTAD - All proceeds from this compilation album will go to Doctors Without Borders, soi check it out.
Check out Elisabeth's website:
and these essays!!!:
Pacific Saw Works - NEW NEW NEW gallery in Oakland right near MacArthur Bart!!!
Climate Control - FRESH HOT NEW gallery right near 24th st Bart! Public transit users, your eyes will never be hungry again!
1599fdt - NEWEST gallery at 620 Kearny St in SF! Et al. is back in the basement so I Kate can live out her gremlin fantasies in peace.
120710 - WOW NEW gallery in Berkeley! CAN YOU BELIEVE!?!
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WORDS WORDS WORDS |
Friday, November 3, 2023
Signal Boost: The War on Palestine Podcast
Listen to and support this podcast by Noura Erakat, Ziad Abu-Rish, and Bassam Haddad here: https://www.jadaliyya.com/Details/45457
Wednesday, September 27, 2023
321 - Idea Factory
Folks, I swear tro friggin GOD we are gonna have an interview soon. We're losing our damn minds together in our bubble! However, it is not stopping us from generating so many ideas that you can't friggin believe it. PLUS WE GET AN EMAIL FROM A LISTENER!
the music in this episode is by FAVORS
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WELCOME TO THE MANUFACTURING LINE! |
Wednesday, September 20, 2023
320 - Betrayal!
This week Maysoun decides to betray Kate by having a new favorite artist. It is incredibly hurtful. We also talk about a douchebag art show pop-up in SF Chinatown. Plus Kate gives the finger and Mayhsoun gives some heavy carbon calculations.
The music in this episode is by Lacrimorta
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NO MORE AIR TRAVEL! WRAP IT UP! |
Monday, August 21, 2023
319 - Long Road to Vallejo
This week Maysoun tries to defend her scary use of periods over text message. Kate talks about a trip to see art in Vallejo. We're in summer mode, but I swear to all that is holy we are gonna get it together soon.
Music in this episode is by KUREI
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Making memories on I-80 |
Thursday, August 3, 2023
318 - Meandering Ramble
This week we have a good old fashioned ramble! We talk about some events coming up and Kate comes out as an absurdist.
Thursday, July 20, 2023
317 - Gay Minds (with Leila Weefur)
This week Leila Weefur guest hosts and talks with Kate about emerging, Bay Area mandatory history meetings, vegan food, and a shit ton of other things. Watch out- Kate and Leila of course are on one.
The music in this episode is by FAVORS
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Queers shooting the shit! |
Friday, June 23, 2023
316 - Swimming Pool USA
This week Maysoun and Kate almost get baited into selling swimming pools. This episode is unhinged. I think we should go ahead and take a break for a week or two after this one.
The music in this episode is by FM-84
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I don't know. |
Thursday, June 15, 2023
315 - Reverse
This week we experiment with time. Maysoun premieres her new medical corner segment. We talk about compensation for artists and whether we are face or name people.
the music in this episode is by quest?onmarq
Working Artists and the Greater Economy
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UNO REVERSY |
Thursday, June 8, 2023
314 - Ben Writes In
This is a celebration of Ben.
The music in this episode is bastiengoat
Real Time and Space - Come have an art studio in Oakland! Apply now!
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Not this Ben. |
Wednesday, May 31, 2023
313 - SEKMA Award
This week we tell you all about the SECA show that just closed at SFMOMA! Maysoun brings Kate a banana!
the music in this episode is by Mya Byrne
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Bananas! |
Friday, May 26, 2023
312 - Climb Through a Hole
Against all odds we have a new episode! We went to the SF State, Cal, and Mills MFA shows! Plus Maysoun went to a dance performance at Fort Funston! Please forgive our audio nonsense as we transition into being better at making a podcast even though we've been doing this shit for almost 9 years.
the music in this episode by FM-84
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Congratulations, grads!!! |
Wednesday, May 10, 2023
311 - Maysoun vs. Children
This week we reject astrology. Maysoun finally owns up to her hatred of children. Kate rants about social media and its impact on art shit and why we need to run to the fucking hills. MAYSOUN IS CLICKING AGAIN AND IT IS DRIVING ME UP THE WALLS!
Most of the music in this episode is by Fake Fruit
Elisabeth Nicula writings for Open Space
Narcissistic Test![]() |
Maysoun hates the youth. |
Thursday, May 4, 2023
310 - Screwy Decimal
This week Kate refuses to get out of bed. Maysoun tried to defend the dewey decimal system until she find out what a douche he is. We talk about what shows are coming up and how to take care of a Taurus.
The music in this episode is by KUREI
Artadia is now accepting applications for the 2023 San Francisco Bay Area Awards![]() |
Watch out for bad systems! |