Saturday, October 19, 2019

220 - Sunrise

This week Maysoun shares an account of going to the Indigenous Peoples Day Sunrise Gathering in celebration of the 50th anniversary of the occupation of Alcatraz. We also talk about gemstones and lighting.

The Continuous Thread: Celebrating Our Interwoven Histories, Identities and Contributions
SOMA Pilipinas Events
Litquake Schedule

Saturday, October 12, 2019

219 - The Best Restrooms

This week we accidentally explore the best restrooms of the Bay Area while we're trying to answer a listener question about YBCA's new open call for curatorial proposals.

All the music in this episode is by No Vacation

Need to pee? Just download this app. What could go wrong?
Oakland Museum of California announces $85 million improvement plan
Ear Hustle
Alternative Exposure
Oakland Stock
The Awesome Foundation

Look at the size of that plant!

Saturday, October 5, 2019

218 - We're back again!

This week we're back on our regular schedule. We really mean it this time! We mainly talk about Morgan Bassichis, our new favorite of all time. We also talk about some shows, some babies, and some corrections.

All the music in this episode is by Morgan Bassichis

More Protest Songs by Morgan Bassichis

Shoutout to Elaine Stritch!

Saturday, September 21, 2019

217 - Forensic Forms!

CORRECTION: NORWICH IS ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE UK! This week we catch up on all the stuff we didn't get a chance to chat about while we were on our summer break. We do a Forensic Forms™ segment where Maysoun describes an artwork and Kate tries to guess how it was made. There are a few television show references in this episode, so we're sorry if you're not tapped into pop culture and you don't understand what is going on. You can email us for explanations.

All the music in this episode is by XUXA SANTAMARIA (buy their new album!)

The Emma Goldman Papers
Eleanor Harwood Gallery
Casemore Kirkeby
Royal NoneSuch Gallery
Central Iowa DSA
Pittsburgh DSA
Episode where we talk about the meaning of art

This is a kitten heel.

Saturday, September 14, 2019

216 - Think About Fish (with Anne Walsh Jr.)

Wow, listeners. We had a hell of a chat with artist, Anne Walsh. Kate was really on one. We talk about the afterlife, fan letters, studio visits, exchanging energy, and Leonora Carrington.

Most of the music in this episode is by Beyoncé

Hello Leonora, Soy Anne Walsh
Anne Walsh Jr.
The Hearing Trumpet

Aspiring crones unite!

Saturday, September 7, 2019

215 - Pop Culture and Trauma (with Việt Lê)

This week we chat with artist and scholar, Việt Lê. He weighs in on the Bay vs. LA! We also chat about failure, K-pop, the Vietnamese diaspora, and empathy machines.

All the music in this episode is by Wizard Apprentice

 Việt Lê
The Queer Art of Failure
The Wonder Gays

The fog rolls in!

Saturday, August 24, 2019

214 - Eye Pleasure (with Craig Calderwood)

This week we have a glorious conversation with artist, Craig Calderwood. We talk about Dance Moms, hand massages, integrity, becoming ambidextrous, Fresno, and video games.  Craig is in a show opening tonight (8/24) at Guerrero Gallery from 6-9! Up until September 21st! Go!

Most of the music in this episode is by Giraffage

Craig Calderwood
Dance Moms ASMR
The Fresno Art Museum


Friday, August 9, 2019

213 - Miracles! (with Lindsey White)

This week we ponder comedy, magic, and sandwiches with Lindsey White. Lindsey is an artist and educator in San Francisco. We also do a musical number and Maysoun recovers from a cold.

Most of the music in this episode is by Jack Hertz

Lindsey White
Quarter of Oklahoma
Morgan Bassichis
Jo Firestone
American Museum of Magic


Saturday, July 27, 2019

212 - Making Sponges (with Nancy Lim)

This week we talk to Nancy Lim! She is the assistant curator of painting and sculpture at SFMOMA. We chat about sponges, zoos, children's books, and so much more. Even though New York comes up in this interview we do not discuss pizza. So points to us for self control.

All the music in this episode is by the cubby creatures

di Rosa Center for Contemporary Art
Picasso and Lump
Arts + All Museums Salary Transparency

Not sea sponges, though.

Friday, July 12, 2019

211 - Pizza Wars (with Surabhi Saraf)

This week we talk to artist, Surabhi Saraf about the Center for Emotional Materiality and why Kate couldn't convince an AI that it was a dog. We also all take sides on which region has the best pizza. Turns out it's New York.

The music in this episode is by San Cha

Surabhi Saraf
Center for Emotional Materiality
Pizzeria Uno
Pizzeria Due
Root Division

Pizza time, baby!

Saturday, June 29, 2019

210 - What a Week!

This week we talk about all the stuff going on at 500 Capp St. We also chat about Kate selling her non-existent soul to Facebook, the mural at George Washington High School, and a great meal Maysoun had at Cafe Ohlone. We also have a lovely call from a listener.

Most of the music in this episode is by Sleep It Off

Remembering Kevin Killian: Poet, Playwright and Artist Who ‘Gave Us Courage’
500 Capp Street Lays Off Head Curator, Creates Confusion About Future Exhibitions
The LAB's Kickstarter!
Cafe Ohlone

Check with your cosmologist about the weeks ahead!

Friday, June 14, 2019

209 - Punk Sports (with Astria Suparak)

This week we have an energetic chat with independent curator, Astria Suparak! We talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Yes Men, Riot Grrrl, and splendid small museums. Kate tries to convince the listeners to move to Pennsylvania again. Stay cool out there, listeners!

All the music in this episode is by Horrible/Adorable 

Astria Suparak
INCITE Journal of Experimental Media: SPORTS
Arts + All Museums Salary Transparency

Friday, May 31, 2019

208 - Capricorn (with Cece Carpio)

This week we have a rollicking chat with artist, Cece Carpio. We talk about painting at night, being a powerhouse, and finding love in the stars. We also talked for about 25 minutes about Game of Thrones, but I cut it. You're welcome.

All the music in this episode is by Tycho

Keep it earthy.

Saturday, May 11, 2019

207 - Bones to Pick

This week we're talking about artistic inspiration, egg timers, the 2020 presidential election, and the VA's mindfulness app. Plus Kate goes off about how Cobb's Comedy Club is a major rip off! She doesn't care who knows it!

Almost all the music in this episode is by BLAUS

Mindfulness Coach
What The Potential 2020 Candidates Are Doing And Saying, Vol. 18 from 538
The Gerrymandering Project
2020 ELECTIONS from Politico


Friday, May 3, 2019

206 - Clay Bully!

Dreams are coming true! We have more listener feedback this week! We decide what to do about a bully at the ceramics studio. We also try to help an introvert figure out how to make friends in the Bay Area art scene. Please let us know if you have better advice than what we came up with.

All the music in this episode is by Judy and the Jerks

Keep writing in!

Saturday, April 27, 2019

205 - Summer Plans

This week we talk about our plans for this summer! We also give some recommendations for toddler-friendly art shows and some more artist dating advice.

I need everyone to know that I (Kate) had a dream last night that I was driving Hito Steyerl around Oakland. It was great! Best dream ever!

All the music in this episode is by Thao & The Get Down Stay Down

Brad Troemel
Arts Funder Under Fire for Evicting Family Next to David Ireland House

Let the good times roll!

Saturday, April 13, 2019

204 - Spring Love Advice

It's time for us to give terrible art love advice to listeners! We're not doctor Ruth, but we do have a podcast. We talk about pretending to be poly, dating apps, ghosting people in the art scene, and the one time Kate went on a date with a man.

All the music in this episode is by Sleater-Kinney

Love is in the air!

Saturday, April 6, 2019

203 - Bluets (with Marcela Pardo Ariza)

This week we talk to one of our favorite artists, Marcela Pardo Ariza. We chat about the midwest, changing the bro-esque world of art handling, and doing your homework on Bart. We also have some very exciting listener feedback and Kate talks about her experience with the wacky world of kids' YouTube.

Thank you so much to donors, William Koone and Jim Prosser!!!

All the music in this episode is by Introflirt

Marcela Pardo Ariza

We're keeping it on the level this week!

Friday, March 29, 2019

202 - No, Charles!

This week we have a good old fashioned chit chat. We've got some hot goss about Charles at the Chronicle. We also talk about Kate's most recent gaffes and embarrassments.

All the music in this episode is by BLAUS

The Growlery
Once at Present
Cloaca Project
Kunstcapades (shoutout to Jimmy Twoshirts)
Gary Garrels
Southern Exposure
Johansson Projects
Et al
David Bayus
Reuben Lorch-Miller


Saturday, March 23, 2019

201 - Yellow (with Lukaza Branfman-Verissimo)

This week we have a lovely chat with artist, Lukaza Branfman-Verissimo! We talk about having a singular vision, the color yellow, and who takes out the garbage at CTRL+SHFT. We also make our official CPT democratic primary endorsement!

The song in this episode is by The Innocence Mission

Lukaza Branfman-Verissimo
Bernie 2020

Yellow is everything.

Friday, March 15, 2019

200 - Out in Public

For our TWO HUNDREDTH EPISODE we hit the streets and interview people in front of Cupid's Span, the big bow and arrow sculpture on the Embarcadero. We also chat with some folks visiting SFMOMA on family free day. Even a friendly seagull makes an appearance! Thank you all for being with us for these tender 200 episodes. We love you.

Almost all the music in this episode is by Earthbound

Tracy Chapman
Left at London (who salutes the lesbian flag)
Aggregate Space
Biking in the rain

Seagulls love to chat.

Friday, March 8, 2019

From the Archive: Ethicstravaganza!

This week we reflect on our one year anniversary episode all the way from 2015! Some familiar voices call in and help us sort out the art world's code of ethics!

Our 200th episode will be coming at you next week.

This is a cat pawing at a sliding glass door.

Friday, March 1, 2019

From the Archive: The Treasure Room!

This week we're taking a trip down memory lane to remember the first time we went to the International Art Museum of America!

This episode first aired on December 22nd, 2014.

Save the lab! (Sign this petition!)

Take a little trip down memory lane!

Friday, February 22, 2019

199 - Unseen Forces (with Claudia La Rocco)

This week we chat with writer and editor-in-chief of Open Space, Claudia La Rocco. We discuss Bay Area art criticism, the greatest hike in Maine, and performance art tropes. Claudia also shares some great writing advice for beginners.

All the music in this episode is by WIZARD APPRENTICE

Open Space
Abolish the Tiki Bar by Sarah Burke

Special thanks to Nancy!

It's Maine!

Thursday, February 14, 2019

198 - Free for All (with Maria Jenson)

This week we have a rollicking chat with Maria Jenson, the executive director of SOMArts. We chat about transitioning from working at a major museum to a community-based arts organization. We also talk about Greek theater, scooter riders, and raves.

All the music in this episode is by Idris Ackamoor and the Pyramids

Augusto Boal

SOMArts has it all.

Friday, February 8, 2019

197 - Prop E Money

This week Shannon joins us to explain what's going on with Proposition E and where all that tax money is going to go. We also do some shoutouts and talk about a badass scale model.

All the music in this episode is by Cubby Creatures

Volunteer for Southern Exposure's auction!
Take Part - the scale model of San Francisco project!

We are crunching the numbers!

Friday, February 1, 2019

196 - Peaches (with Cathy Lu)

This week we get waist deep in clay and fruit juice with artist, Cathy Lu. Plus, Maysoun is back! We talk papaya, guava, blood, Florida, lung safety, and hand care. Who could ask for anything more!?

All the music in this episode is by Dogon Lights

Cathy Lu
Johansson Projects
SFAC Prequalified Pool (Deadline: 3/7)


Friday, January 18, 2019

194 - Salt Lamps (with Sarah Thibault)

This week artist and arts organizer, Sarah Thibault guest hosts while Maysoun is doing a covert international mission. We do some real shop talk about painting and Minnesota politics! Also Sarah helps Kate discover her geographic astrological zones.

All the music in this episode is by Toro y Moi

Sarah Thibault
David Lasley
The Painting Salon
New American Paintings
Why So Many Icelanders Still Believe in Invisible Elves

Take the survey to figure out arts funding in SF!

Don't lick them!?

Saturday, January 12, 2019

193 - First Ramble of 2019

Research assistant Katy Kondo joins us this week while Maysoun is engaged in spy work somewhere outside of the United States. We will share some delightful upcoming events with you!

All the music in this episode is by Ma Crow and the Lady Slippers

Take the poll for SF arts funding!!!
Tell your friends!

Shoutout to radio stations WOSU!

Friday, January 4, 2019

Friday, December 28, 2018

192 - Kiln Secrets! (with Nicki Green)

This week we are overjoyed to talk to artist, Nicki Green. She gives us the deep dish on Vulcan hand gestures, mushrooms, mikvehs, and so much more! Have a safe and happy new year, listeners!

CORRECTION: Nicki's performance lecture is at Fused Space from 4 - 6pm on January 9th and is in tandem with a reading from Claudia La Rocco.

All the music in this episode is by XOA

Nicki Green
Ehrin Toole
John DeFazio
Peter Voulkos
Viola Frey
The Bay Area's Best Visual Art of 2018 (IMHO) by Sarah Hotchkiss
Peephole Cinema

Kiln Furniture!

Friday, December 21, 2018

191 - Crochet the Land (with Beatrice L. Thomas)

This week we talk with artist, performer, and everything, Beatrice L. Thomas. We talk land art, drag, racial edging, gaming your brain, cowboy hats, and so much more!

All the music in this episode is by Twilight

Beatrice L. Thomas Coaching and Consulting
Black Benatar on KALW
Brava Theater
The Hitter (1979)
Crochet the grand canyon!

Friday, December 14, 2018

190 - Anarchy (with Dena Beard)

This week we have a rollicking chat with Dena Beard, the director and plumber of the LAB! She shares her leadership philosophy, her fashion secrets, and her love for parking garages.

All the music in this episode is by FM-84

The LAB (Donate!)
Sign this petition to save the Red Stone Labor Temple (the home of the LAB!)
Bay Area Common Wealth
Bay Area Art Ecosystem map by Carrie Hott
Where do you feel belonging in the Bay Area? - Christine Wong Yap's project

Potatoes are an excellent source of carbohydrates and fiber.

Friday, December 7, 2018

189 - Living at the Crossroads

This week we talk about stuff happening at the Wattis, being post-exhibition, and robots that have the dexterity of a human hand. We're also sad that Sarah Thibault is moving away. Plus the laundromats are disappearing!

Pretty much all the music in this episode is by Idris Ackamoor and the Pyramids

Roscoe Mitchell
Craig Calderwood
Stephanie Rohlfs
Sarah Thibault 
Alysse Stepanian
Martha Rosler and Hito Steyerl

I might meet you up at the crossroads.

Friday, November 30, 2018

188 - Rabbit Holes (with Jenny Odell)

This week artist, writer, and birder Jenny Odell tells us about the invasion of the business snatchers! I can't even type anything about it, because it's too byzantine and bizarre. We also talk about other internet things and whether humanity is fucked or not.

All the music in this episode is by Ghosts of Lightning

A Business With No End
How to Internet
How to Do Nothing
There's No Such Thing as a Free Watch

The World's Most Expensive Free Watch on Reply All
How the weird, unfiltered internet became a media goldmine by Joe Veix
Something is wrong on the internet by James Bridle

This is what the internet is like.

Wednesday, November 14, 2018

187 - Group Dynamics

This week we have a ton of listener questions to answer! We talk about art colonies, cults, group dynamics, and John Cage. Maysoun also reviews a talk given by Carrie Mae Weems and the Ragnar Kjartansson performance piece that happened at the Women's Building.

All the music in this episode is by the Homophones


Donate to these:
The Women's Buidling
GoFundMe Sites for people dealing with the wildfires
Camp Fire Evacuation Relief Fund

 Breakdown the hierarchies! 

Friday, November 9, 2018

186 - From the Car

This week Kate is giving Maysoun a ride to the de Young. We talk about the election results, a guy who wrote a book, and French sociologists. Plus we have some treasured listener feedback!

All this music in this episode is by Favors

Carrie Mae Weems
What it Means to Write About Art by Jarrett Earnest
Kate's weird video
Distinction: A Social Critique of the Judgement of Taste (Introduction)

Welcome to my two year campaign to get CA progressives to move to the midwest!

Friday, November 2, 2018

185 - Trouble on Steroids

This week Kate has poison oak in her eye and is on Prednisone. Be careful in the woods, people! We talk about the trouble going on at SFAI and Galleria de la Raza and some of the other bullshit going on.

All the music in this episode is by The Coup

Galleria de la Raza
What Happens When All the Curators are Gone? by Sarah Hotchkiss for KQED

Leaves of three let it be, but really just don't touch ANY plant matter!

Friday, October 26, 2018

From the Archive: Christine Wong Yap

This week we're digging into the archives. Enjoy a classic interview with beloved artist and thinker, Christine Wong Yap! This interview was originally aired on February 8th, 2015. Where does the time go? Check out Christine's project, Belonging at the CCA Hubbell Street Galleries in San Francisco from now until November 16th!

The music in this episode is by Creative Adult and Tycho

Christine Wong Yap

We love archives!

Friday, October 19, 2018

184 - If you get, give. (with Lex Leifheit)

This week we get into the nitty gritty of email organization and arts education with Lex Leifheit! She is the former director of SOMArts, currently works in the San Francisco Office of Economic and Workforce Development, and is running for the Board of Education in SF! The election is November 6th!

All the music in this episode is by Lumerians

Lex Leifheit
About the show at Fused Space
Planet Celadon!
Loco Bloco
Performing Arts Workshop
Ruth Asawa San Francisco School of the Arts
SFUSD Frequently Asked Questions

Everyone deserves access to arts education!

Friday, October 12, 2018

183 - Fall 2018 Voter Guide

This week we give our endorsements in the upcoming election!

Yes on prop 10!

Yes on E! (in SF)

Cat Brooks for Mayor of Oakland!

Jovanka Beckles for the 15th Assembly District!!!

All the music in this episode is by JEEPNEYS

Alameda County Green Party Voter Guide
East Bay Young Dems
DSA East Bay
League of Pissed Off Voters
League of Women Voters
48 Hills

Tell your friends and family!

Friday, October 5, 2018

182 - Jack Fisher's Got a Show Up

We're back! We got a ton of listener feedback while we were gone, so we sort through that this week. We went to some shows also! We're easing back into it, people. Plus we celebrate our 15 new production interns.

The only music in this episode is Reunited by Peaches and Herb

What Happens When All the Curators Are Gone? by Sarah Hotchkiss
TWR Radio at SFAI
The Welcome Project
Wave Pool
Our interview with Amanda Curreri all the way back from 2015

This animal is called a fisher.

Friday, August 3, 2018

181 - Season One Finale!

We're closing the curtain on season one of Congratulations Pine Tree! We'll be back for season two in October! Send your listener feedback to!

All the music in this episode is from the album Club Chai Vol. 1

Rainbow Shots
American Chemical Society

See you in the fall!

We're bowing out until October!

Friday, July 20, 2018

180 - Danger Science!

This week we fire up the Bunsen burner and learn about the science of performance art! We talk about snake venom, meat dangers, and how screaming messes up your throat. Our art degrees basically make us scientists!

All the music in this episode is by Z-Man & Elon

Throat Problems
Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease
Why raccoons wet their food
Effects of snake venom on blood
Guide to poisonous snakes
Throat Anatomy
Food Safety
Why Does Water Boil Quickly At High Altitudes?
History of SFAI

Science is fun!

Saturday, July 14, 2018

179 - Summer Haze

This episode is up late, but not forgotten! We talk about shows, gallery bathrooms, and silicone vs. silicon.

All the music in this episode is by Introflirt

Frankenstein’s Birthday Party at Hosfelt Gallery

Friday, July 6, 2018

178 - From the Car

This week we're locked in a hot car figuring out what the heck to do for the next week! Art shows! Labor fairs! Rootin' tootin' good times!

All the music in this episode is by the Dogon Lights

Apply for Artadia!
Jim Campbell Building Penis Tip
SwingLeft - get down to the nitty gritty with CA district 10!
Josh Harder (Democrat for CA District 10)

Stay hydrated in your hot cars!

Friday, June 22, 2018

177 - Positivity (with Patricia Cariño Valdez)

This week curator and guest host,  Patricia Cariño Valdez gives us some hot tips! Plus we talk about whether everyone should be making technological art, what's the deal with studio visits, and trying to stay positive.

All the music in this episode is by JEEPNEYS

Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services (RAICES)
RAICES is the largest immigration legal services provider in Texas. For years, RAICES has been working with some of the most vulnerable members of our society to ensure they receive advocacy and fair legal representation. RAICES directly funds bond to allow parents to reclaim their detained children.

American Civil Liberties Union

The Florence Project
The Florence Project is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit legal service organization providing free legal services to men, women, and unaccompanied children in immigration custody in Arizona.

Texas Civil Rights Project
Texas lawyers for Texas communities, boldly serving the movement for equality and justice in and out of the courts.

Speak up and write to the companies involved with detaining immigrants and separating families


Friday, June 15, 2018

176 - City, O' City

This week Maysoun and Kate try to figure out a ceramic mystery in our new segment: Forensic Files! Maysoun also updates us on the SF Mayoral election results. Kate talks about Crisco and lard.

All the music in this episode is by Them Are Us Too

Rene Yanez at the San Francisco Public Library
How Galería founder René Yañez helped give the Mission its artistic soul
Kilgore Comics in Denver
The Lab
Rena Bransten Gallery
Circo Zero (Keith Hennessy)

Denver is the mile high city.

Friday, June 8, 2018

175 - Rococo Connection

Hey, it's almost our four year anniversary! Send us one million questions and listener feedback! This week we talk about Ragnar Kjartansson, the election results, and how Maysoun won a talent show with her incredible air guitar.

All the music on this episode is by Thao & The Get Down Stay Down

Bay Area Now 8
McEvoy Foundation for the Arts
Event Calendar for California's 10th District

Just say "No!" to the Rococo